Proving the existence of Lord Krishna

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Indians are taught that Krishna was a myth and did not exist. This is the inevitable byproduct of an educational system and mentality put in place by the British empire. But things are changing. In response to the question of whether Krishna existed amateur historians are coming up with new evidence of the authentic nature of the Hindu scriptures:

“Most certainly, says Dr Manish Pandit, a nuclear medicine physician who teaches in the United Kingdom, proffering astronomical, archaeological, linguistic and oral evidences to make his case.

“I used to think of Krishna is a part of Hindu myth and mythology. Imagine my surprise when I came across Dr Narhari Achar (a professor of physics at the University of Memphis, Tennessee, in the US) and his research in 2004 and 2005. He had done the dating of the Mahabharata war using astronomy. I immediately tried to corroborate all his research using the regular Planetarium software and I came to the same conclusions [as him],” Pandit says.

Which meant, he says, that what is taught in schools about Indian history is not correct?

The Great War between the Pandavas and the Kauravas took place in 3067 BC, the Pune-born Pandit, who did his MBBS from BJ Medical College there, says in his first documentary, Krishna: History or Myth?.

Pandit’s calculations say Krishna was born in 3112 BC, so must have been 54-55 years old at the time of the battle of Kurukshetra.

Pandit is also a distinguished astrologer, having written several books on the subject, and claims to have predicted that Sonia Gandhi would reject prime ministership, the exact time at which Shankaracharya Jayendra Saraswati would be released on bail and also the Kargil war.

Pandit, as the sutradhar of the documentary Krishna: History or Myth?, uses four pillars — archaeology, linguistics, what he calls the living tradition of India and astronomy to arrive at the circumstantial verdict that Krishna was indeed a living being, because Mahabharata and the battle of Kurukshetra indeed happened, and since Krishna was the pivot of the Armageddon, it is all true.

You are a specialist in nuclear medicine. What persuaded you to do a film on the history/myth of Krishna? You think there are too many who doubt? Is this a politico-religious message or a purely religious one?

We are always taught that Krishna is a part of Hindu myth and mythology. And this is exactly what I thought as well. But imagine my surprise when I came across Dr Narhari Achar (of the Department of Physics at the University of Memphis, Tennessee, in the US) and his research somewhere in 2004 and 2005. He had done the dating of the Mahabharata war using astronomy.

I immediately tried to corroborate all his research using the regular Planetarium software and I came to the same conclusions. This meant that what we are taught in schools about Indian history is not correct.

I also started wondering about why this should be so. I think that a mixture of the post-colonial need to conform to western ideas of Indian civilisation and an inability to stand up firmly to bizarre western ideas are to blame. Also, any attempt at a more impartial look at Indian history is given a saffron hue.

I decided that I could take this nonsense no more, and decided to make films to show educated Indians what their true heritage was. The pen is mightier than the sword is an old phrase but I thought of new one: Film is the new pen.

Any ideas I have will receive wide dissemination through this medium.

I wanted to present a true idea of Indian history unfettered by perception, which was truly scientific, not just somebody’s hypothesis coloured by their perceptions and prejudices.

Why not a documentary on Rama, who is more controversial in India today? Proof of his existence would certainly be more than welcome today…

A documentary on Rama is forthcoming in the future. But the immediate reason I deferred that project is the immense cost it would entail. Whereas research on Krishna and Mahabharata was present and ready to go.

Further more, Rama according to Indian thought, existed in the long hoary ancient past of Treta Yuga, where science finds it difficult to go.

There is a controversial point in your documentary where someone Isckon monk alludes to Krishna as being the father of Jesus. How can you say that since there is an age gap of roughly 3000 years between the two spiritual giants?

Is Krishna the spiritual father of Jesus? That is what the person who was training to be a Roman Catholic priest, and who now worships Krishna, asks. The answer comes within the field of comparative religion and theology.

The Biblical scriptures qualify Jesus as the son of God. Most Indians have no problems accepting this as Hindus are a naturally secular people. However, then the question that arises is, if Jesus is the son, then who is the Father or God Himself?

[Lila: The word secular in India means not-communal or not provoking religious animosities.]

Now, Biblical scriptures do not really give the answer except to say that the Father is all-powerful and omnipresent. Now, of course, we know that Jesus does not say that he is omnipresent or omnipotent.

[Lila: Jesus both says that he and his father are “one,” implying omniscience and also says at other times, “No man knoweth except the father,” implying limitation.]

Now, no scripture can live as an island, all by itself, and the Srimad Bhagavatam and other scriptures such as the Bramha Samhita all call Krishna as an all powerful, omnipresent being.

So, if we use these words of Bhagavatam, there can be no other truth, which means that Krishna is the father of all living creation.

But it does not mean that Jesus is not divine. Jesus is indeed divine. What I liked about the monks in my documentary is that they do not denigrate Jesus although they worship Krishna as God. They keep Jesus in their hearts, while worshipping Krishna. What could be more secular or more Christian?”

11 thoughts on “Proving the existence of Lord Krishna”

  1. “Krishna is the father of all living creation”

    Zecharia Sitchin would have no great difficulty with this. He would suggest it is merely a different label for the principal Annunaki. In the Twelfth Planet and other books Sitchin layed out elaborate arguments to demonstrate his “truth”. Here is a Sitchin’s famous video documentary which smmarizes most of his “archeology”:

    Zecharia Sitchin – Are We Alone In The Universe? {1992}

    http://vimeo.com/4871185

    May I ask how is that “archeology” much different from this astrologer’s “truth”? It merely seems to afford different labels to understand the same “phenomenon” — texts which appear to convey a cosmology that appears way ahead of its time.

    As is popularly known, when the atomic scientist and head of the Manhattan project Robert Oppenheimer quoted from the Bhagavad Gita: “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.” upon witnessing the first atomic bomb explosion, it had confused many obervers then, and that remarkable utterance continues to confuse many in every generation since then. Why was the theoretical physicist Oppenheimer a) so adept in ancient Hindu literature, and b) why did he quote that specific verse on witnessing that horrifying explosion — which, evidently, had never before taken place in the history of man? Or had it?

    Over the last few decades many physicists have resorted to the ancient Hindu scriptures. I saw a documentary on Youtube (can’t recall which one) a while back where a physicist being intervewed made the observation that the cosmology depicted in those ancient texts appears to be uncannily close to what the scientists have come to understand of cosmic phenomenon today.

    Mr. Sitchin merely took that argument a step earlier in time, asserting that the Summarian texts found on ancient tablets housed in the British museam that predated the Hindu texts by eons, contain the same remarkable characterisitic. They convey a cosmology which is not just in keeping with what many cosmologists believe today, but which that ancient epoch simply could not have espoused without all our science. Then how did they come to espouse it?

    One explanation I have heard often, and perhaps it was first advanced by Sithin himself, is that all these ancient texts across civilizations, space and time, are attempting to convey bits and pieces of the stories handed them vicariously in their respective cultural contexts, narrate of a common past. They argue that these narratives became, by necessity of socialization, part of the cultural-religious context which must be peeled away in order to uncover the archealogy lying underneath. Indeed, Sitchin, in the documentary cited above if I recall correctly, even argues that there are global inexplicables that defy modern scientific understanding of how they could have possibly transpired in the past when tools and understanding were deemed to be primitive, unless they were not primitive! Sitchin states that in his many journeys he across ancient cultures, he had observed many common threads in cultural stories which have been handed down through ancient times as mythologies, none of them cohesively explainable unless one imagines them being part of the same common ancestry.

    Going back to Robert Oppenheimer, the explanation advanced by some others is that the atomic scientist was remarking upon a witnessing that phenomenon which had indeed been observed in the past!

    Who knows.

    zahir

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  2. I don’t know Sitchin’s work. I have heard it’s not accurate or even possibly disinformation or fraudulent.

    Let me come back and read your post in more detail.
    I want to work on this Black Mass business tonight.

    Thanks

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  4. Yes, I think those ideas permeate.
    I think several ideas are in struggle within the OT accounts.

    I will finish this Black Mass thing and come back to your posts…
    Thanks

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  6. The documentary Krishna: History or Myth, may be watched here:

    http://saraswatifilms.org/movies.php

    The commonality of the narrative of Mahabharata with Sithchin’s version transpiring in Summer and Mesopatamia indicates commmon ancestry of the narrative, localized in the cultural context — just as I have noted is observed by many observers in the main comment above.

    This newspaper-ish article image suggests the same speculation as is often used to explain away Oppenheimer’s comment: “Going back to Robert Oppenheimer, the explanation advanced by some others is that the atomic scientist was remarking upon a witnessing that phenomenon which had indeed been observed in the past!”

    http://saraswatifilms.org/tmp/midday.jpg

    That a great war took place in ancient times, just as the great flood took place in ancient times, is repeated time and again in many ancient texts. The Mahabharata is not unique.

    The fact that Saraswati river actually existed, and I had studied this earlier when someone had observers that a civilization with no text but immense archeology, and great ancient texts with no corresponding archeology or civilization which led to it being mere myth, under the scrutiny of non-prejudicial investigators naturally and logically led the ancient Indian texts to be associated with the Indian-Pakistan-Afghanistan arheological finds throughout the Indo sub-continent, including Indus valley, Saraswati valley, Ghandara (Peshawar-Afghanistan nexus), and the commonality with the narrative understood from the ancient Summerian tablets indicates that the steps to uncover the “truth”, like archeology, will be a fascinating puzzle.

    It already is.

    Thanks

    Zahir

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  7. Just for completeness, the following documentary attempts to connect the lost civilizations and archeologies found all across the earth using astronomy, and dates them to 10,500 BC:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WBh-WYS-iE

    This is the sort of rational and unemotional detective work I believe is necessary to unpeel the layers of cultural deposits of thousands of years to uncover the underlying “reality”. India is just one tiny puzzle in that overarching riddle. That perspective is unfortunately missed out by the narrow focus of Dr Narhari Achar and to resurrect Krishna from immanent mythology to existentialism.

    It is an onion which must be peeled layer by layer — no? And the deeper you go down, you tend to go backwards in time by necessity, and thus to better all encompassing explanations of the commonality of themes running through both archeology and ancient texts all across the globe. We may well discover that these are rooted in a once great single civilization whose understanding of astronomy as well the prowess upon physical construction principles was mind-blowingly advanced. Some of the technological things they achieved in their constructions still cannot be accomplished today with our tools and technologies — such as the monoliths found in Balbek, Lebanon, with edges that are so finely abutting that a credit-card cannot slide into them, and their size-and-weight so enormous that the largest cranes today cannot lift them!

    thanks
    zahir

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  8. Hi,

    Sitchin appears to be disinfo, from many sources

    ttp://www.sitchiniswrong.com/

    Also, I didn’t find Pandit to be unduly emotional at all. He is not the only one who has dated Krishna and the Mahabharata by any means.

    I focus on India, because I come from there and know the history enough to make informed choices about research. I don’t know enough about the Middle East to do that.

    However, I am fairly certain that the oldest living religious tradition in the world is Tamil and I know for a fact that the occult knowledge (astrology, yoga etc) is the source of most of what is showing up as ancient occult knowledge.

    So it’s more interesting to me.

    No offense.

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  10. “I didn’t find Pandit to be unduly emotional at all. He is not the only one who has dated Krishna and the Mahabharata by any means.” — neither did I.

    That is not what I meant Lila. I meant that there is an onion layer here and neither the courageous Pandit nor Dr Narhari Achar appear interested in unpeeling the onion beyond their own narrow socialization interests. That is just a factual observation. The Hindu religion is interesting only in the context that it is yet another one of the religions of man, more ancient than any other, and still living. That is fascinating by itself. It is also fascinating that the Vedas appear to be the texts of the Indus Valley Civilization as I noted in the previous comment. All fascinating stuff. But I think researchers have to become objective and dig deeper, like Graham Hancock is doing.

    Have you read his Fingerprints of the Gods? I think it is still available on line for free … here is the PDF links:

    http://megpugh.com/files/Graham_Hancock_FINGERPRINTS_OF_THE_GODS.pdf

    Thanks

    zahir

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  11. Just a final note — I wish I could visit India and trace my heritage. I feel jealoous of Graham Hancock that he can do so so easily and I can’t even get a visa to visit!

    Several years ago I wanted to travel the length and breadth of India with my young children to show them where we had come from. My kids who were born in the United States qualified for All India travel visa and the Indian Counsulate in Islamabad were quite happy to stamp it for them, but for me, a Pakistani citizen with a Green Card, they thought it unusual that I was interested in such an extraordinary journey of discovery, North to South, East to West, by train! Long story short, after trying hard, the answer was eventually NO. On the way out of the counsulate, the Pakistani intelligence who monitor all visitors to the counsulate wanted to know what I was doing trying to go to India to visit my heritage. LOL! (I actually even know what that means, hahahaha).

    Sad actually. There is a very rich common heritage for all belonging to the Indian subcontinent regardless of the religions people have. Perhaps someday things will be better. I tried to make it better once along with the some Indians, Pakistanis, and Americans, and I was strongly discouraged by the establishment at the time to not pursue such grass roots friendship further. Here is a link to some images:

    http://zahirebrahim.blogspot.com/2007/04/photo-journal-fwb-lahore-2006.html

    Best wishes,

    Zahir Ebrahim
    Project Humanbeingsfirst.org
    California and Islamabad.

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