Update 2:
I tracked down the source of this report/rumor passed on by an ex intelligence chief of EU. It comes from a Ukrainian source and it is based on the movement of a plane, which is not enough. So at this point I would put this down as rumor-mongering by Ukrainian propagandists, with some, possible basis.
The origin is this:
There are rumors about the arrest of Admiral Igor Osipov, commander of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. There is no confirmation of this, but at 3:30 this morning a special flight RA-61712 left Moscow for Rostov. Fontanka wrote that RA-61712 belongs to a special Air Force unit of the FSB, which provides “operational support for the most high-profile cases. In other words, the plane could have been sent to investigate the sinking of the RSC Moskva or to apprehend the leader of the ship. #Ukrainianmilitary hits #Russiancruiser by #Neptunemissiles #cruiserMoskva“
WELL THAT IS QUITE A LEAP. Good God, the BS never ends and I am sorry I ran with this without checking closely. But obviously there is a strong suspicion of sabotage if the FSB is involved, which seems to be the case. The arrest part appears to be just conjectural. Sorry about that.
Update: I cannot find confirmation of this arrest on any Russian state outlet, so I should put a question mark against it, for now.
ORIGINAL POST
Remember this post yesterday about the archpriest Khalyuta gifting a “relic” from the Catholic church to Vice Admiral Ossipov that I posted on this blog. I linked that post at comments on Saker.is and on disqus at Martyanov’s site, where it got a downvote.
Lila Rajiva • a day ago
https://lilarajiva.com/2022…
Seems really obtuse to accept some supposed relic from anonymous donors to place inside a flagship, of all things.
The relic is not Orthodox at best, and they don’t know for sure from where it comes, so why accept it? This was probably just staged, in coordination with the mine attack [or whatever] for maximum propaganda effect, but could there also be some technical angle, as for instance, some kind of gps embedded in the so-called relic or a guide for detonation or even some AI device?
The gifting suggests, does it not, that this whole incident was planned well before hand. Before even Snake Island. And that maybe there was an internal[onboard] element to it?
Then there is this, today:
From Twitter Eerik N Kross Ex intelligence director, Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova, Iraq
FSB arrests the commander of the Black Sea fleet vice admiral Igor Ossipov. Obviously for the bad weather and an accidental fire on board of Moskva. 8th general out of commission by action in this war.
Does the FSB usually get involved in oversight, errors, or poor performance in the military? In my layman judgment, no. But if there was sabotage, internally, as was my guess, then they would get involved. That is, if this report is true.
He said, while there was some chance of the explosions/fire being caused by Neptune or other missiles from the Ukrainians, he put it as fairly low, given that he wasn’t even sure if the Neptune missiles were fully operational and given that the Slava/Moskva was well-capable of defending herself from them. [I am writing this from memory of his talk and so cannot recall all the exact military minutiae.]
The second context was that since the Moskva had not been renovated to a state-of-the-art condition, it had some vulnerabilities to attack from underwater diversionary forces. Meaning, some frogmen might have managed to attach a mine to the ship’s hull.
The third context he gave was the possibility of internal sabotage involving people on board who might have sympathies for the other side, due to propaganda, family ties or something similar.
He also mentioned NATO intelligence support and monitoring, such as, via Romanian private companies in Odessa, but did not feel that the mere fact of NATO support being there meant they were involved. As always, he said to wait and see.
I commented then and posted here about the new jet suits devised in the UK that allow boarding of a hostile ship without helicopters as an example of some cutting-edge technology that might be used to board surreptitiously, because I always felt this was internal sabotage plus NATO involvement.