V-Tech: Cho’s Guns – Doubts/Debate – updated 4/24

Update at bottom of post

This from CNN:

Flaherty, who is overseeing the investigative team looking at the shootings, said police also have been unable to answer one of the case’s most vexing questions: Why the spree began at the West Ambler Johnston dorm, and why 18-year-old freshman Emily Hilscher was the first victim.

Police have searched Hilscher’s e-mails and phone records looking for a link. While Flaherty would not discuss exactly what police found, he said neither Cho’s nor Hilscher’s records have revealed a connection.

Flaherty said there was also no link to 22-year-old senior Ryan Clark, who was also killed at the dorm. Nor do investigators know why Cho, an English major, selected Norris Hall — a building that is home primarily to engineering offices — to culminate his attack. Cho killed 30 people there before taking his own life.

Just heard the police conference this evening on Brit Hume on FOX atound 6:30PM – apparently Cho fired (more than) 170 rounds. They confirmed that his body was found in a classroom in Norris Hall.

My Comment:

Note, that at this point, Cho has also not yet been definitively linked to the first shooting (scroll down to my prior post on this), although they have stated that

i) One of the two guns was used in both shootings

ii) And that Cho’s fingerprints were found on both (the serial numbers had been filed off, although the receipt for one gun (?) was reportedly found in his back pocket….of his trousers? not sure..).

Remember that the two earlier bomb threats, that the police say they have not connected to this obviously disturbed young man (why I don’t know), were also directed against the engineering buildings. The police are saying that there is nothing in Cho’s writing/emails that specifically links him, motive-wise, to either the first shooting (there is ballistic evidence, although what I don’t know) OR the second, beyond the video confession or announcement of rage and revenge and the record of a very angry man whom many people thought was capable of harming others.

Then there is the matter of the third threatening note (8 pages long), which was found in his backpack in the hallway in Norris Hall near where the shootings took place OR in his dorm room (not clarified yet in reports), which was also directed against the engineering buildings. This note was also filled with rants against women and rich kids like the video. I have a theory about this, but I will hold off with it until I find enough to support it. Right now, it’s more in the nature of a vague suspicion.

I haven’t heard anything more about the bomb scare which led to the clearing of the engineering buildings on Wednesday, April 18. Has that third note been definitevely linked to the earlier two on April 3 and 13? Do the police now link Cho to the two earlier bomb threats because of this third note, or are they still holding off on that and why?
And was the other ( fourth?) bomb scare on Wednesday, after Cho’s death, a copy-cat? Who sent that? Have I got something wrong here?

A thought: Did he choose the engineering building because a lot more classes were held there that day?

Another thought: I still don’t know anything more about that report of arson in the Chicago Tribune which the same AP report from 4/17 that I quote here mentions. You’d think we’d have learned more by now from the university records, that is, if they are prepared to disclose them. This piece in Time which calls for Steger’s resignation, says the university is stone-walling.

OK….I understand that if the two young women didn’t press charges, the police could not give Cho a record, but what about arson? How do you commit arson and not have a record? This is a very vital isse to me, because I think some people are going to be try to deflect the debate more and more to gun control and increasing centralization.

But I see the failure as primarily (some more fine tuning needed obviously) that of the university and health care system (besides the security failure), which under current law could have protected the students. Here’s why:
1. The assessment of his mental condition is required to be by a Medical MD, according to the law, unless I misunderstood. First mistake, they had a PhD Psychologist evaluate him.

2. The evaluation was not even a day. If you look at the documents posted on Slate, they got the temporary detention order on Dec 13, 2005, they informed him of his rights on the 14th and they decided he was OK the same day. Barely a day. No other records of his confinement or evaluation or monitoring. All that goes against current law.

3. Even under current law, the university is not absolved by its own policy guidelines from protecting the community, which means they should have monitored him. They didn’t. That’s another failure to follow extant policy just there.

By taking the focus off the negligence of current laws, the debate is moved toward further centralization, as though that is the issue.

In any case, the issue of campus security will be equated with Homeland security through the Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committe, which held a hearing on college campus security on 4/23. A House cmte is holding a similar hearing on 4/26.
What some are suggesting is that even the original detention order for insanity that was requested by a licensed social worker – even if reversed by an MD later on – might be enough to trigger a record in the federal database that would prevent you owning a gun. Hmmm…

I think there’s some potential for abuse just there.

And what if there was another Cho undetected, the tightening of gun laws wouldn’t help much if he decided to set fire to the campus, would it? I think not….

Update: Found this Sun (UK) piece which says that he fired

more than 175 shots in under 15 minutes; that he visited a firing range three times and practiced on a cardboard box 25 yards away. Heather Haugh (roommate of Emily Hilscher one of the two he first shot) also visited the Jefferson National Forest firing range. Emily’s boy friend – initially a suspect – was also a gun owner.

This from a blog in Australia which seems to echo the opinion of the Florida professor of criminology about handguns and how difficult it would be to kill that many people with them without a lot of skill:

“Statistically, massacres are a rarity in Australia, despite a large presence of handguns (both pistol and revolver) and the reason for this is that handguns are not accurate enough to be a chosen weapon for this type of crime. I know this first hand because I did weapons training when I was a security officer. Beyond 20 metres, handguns are more or less useless in the clutches of a madman shooting at moving targets. Accuracy with a handgun takes practice and skill.

To an extend, this is why massacres in Australia have been committed with rifles and shotguns. They have always been easier to procure and are far more accurate over distance.”

Oddities in Cho’s Psychiatric Confinement

Here is a Salon piece by Bonnie Goldstein with the relevant documents. I had posted it last night, with detailed commentary and then deleted it this morning – darn!

So – here goes again:

First, the Salon piece:

In December 2005, two undergraduate women at Virginia Tech complained about inappropriate messages they’d received from fellow student Cho Seung-Hui. A licensed social worker, Kathy Godbey, assessed Cho’s behavior and petitioned a Virginia magistrate for Cho’s “involuntary admission” to a mental-health facility (see below). The magistrate found “probable cause” to believe the young man was “mentally ill and in need of hospitalization” and issued a temporary detention order.

Cho was taken to the Carilion Saint Albans Behavioral Health facility in New River Valley, Va. Using the four-page involuntary admission form provided by Virginia’s Department of Mental Health, Mental Retardation and Substance Abuse Services, psychologist Roy Crouse observed that, although the patient’s affect was “flat” and his mood “depressed,” he “denie[d] suicidal ideations” (see Page 3). Crouse (a Ph.D., though not a physician as state law requires) wrote that Cho did not “acknowledge symptoms of a thought disorder.” Cho’s “insight and judgment [were] normal.” Also noted in the exam: Cho had no previous psychiatric care and was not on medication.

The patient exercised his right to counsel by court-appointed attorney Terry W. Teel (see Page 2), and his case was considered and decided by Special Justice and Guardian Ad Litem Paul M. Barnett. Justice Barnett found that although Cho presented “an imminent danger to himself as a result of mental illness,” there were suitable “alternatives to involuntary hospitalization” available. Cho was ordered instead to get outpatient treatments (see Page 5). No record has been found to confirm whether Cho, who killed 32 people and himself on April 16, ever sought or received the court-ordered treatment.

Also, in this regard, here is what we know about the possibility that he was taking drugs:

“Some news accounts have suggested that Cho had a history of antidepressant use, but senior federal officials tell ABC News that they can find no record of him in the governments files on controlled substances. This does not completely rule out prescription drug use, including samples from a physician, drugs obtained through illegal Internet sources, or a gap in computer databases, but the sources say theirs is a reasonably complete search. (NOTE: Some readers may have inferred from an earlier edition of this story that the federal government keeps a comprehensive record of all prescriptions. The Drug Enforcement Agency says it does track prescriptions of so-called controlled substances — including some mood-altering medications — but not all prescriptions made in the United States.)”

My Analysis:

1. It looks like Cho was never seen at any point in all this by a medical MD.

2. He was assessed by a licensed social worker, a magistrate, a special justice and guardian ad litem, and a PhD psychologist whose evaluation of his mental state ranged from finding him mentally ill and a threat to society and finding him largely normal and just depressed.

3. He clearly was not evaluated for any extended length of time – hardly a day at best.

4. No records were retained (perhaps not even kept) of his subsequent treatment.

5. No one followed up or monitored his treatment, or if they did, we have no records of it now.

6. No one informed the university or his parents. The argument is that privacy laws prevented the health system from doing so.
7. Cho went voluntarily to the police, and they referred him which posed a problem under Virginia law, since, as I said the Chris Wallace post, the form that Virginia courts use to notify the state police about a mental health disqualification only addresses the state criteria, which lists two potential categories that would warrant notification to the state police – someone who was “involuntarily committed” or ruled mentally “incapacitated,” neither of which ended up applying to Cho.

So, the problem was that Cho went “voluntarily” and wasn’t ruled incapacitated. From my earlier post:
“But didn’t anyone realize the potential danger here. OK. the two V-Tech students didn’t press stalking charges, but what happened to the arson charge? How does that not pose a threat to anyone else? Didn’t any of the teachers, like Nikki Giovanni, who found him so intimidating in class, want to find out where he was with his treatment?

Here’s a comment from one of the students (I think he was in Edward Falco’s class):

Before Cho got to class that day, we students were talking to each other with serious worry about whether he could be a school shooter. I was even thinking of scenarios of what I would do in case he did come in with a gun, I was that freaked out about him. When the students gave reviews of his play in class, we were very careful with our words in case he decided to snap. Even the professor didn’t pressure him to give closing comments.

After hearing about the mass shootings, I sent one of my friends a Facebook message asking him if he knew anything about Seung Cho and if he could have been involved. He replied: “dude that’s EXACTLY what I was thinking! No, I haven’t heard anything, but seriously, that was the first thing I thought when I heard he was Asian.”

While I “knew” Cho, I always wished there was something I could do for him, but I couldn’t think of anything. As far as notifying authorities, there isn’t (to my knowledge) any system set up that lets people say “Hey! This guy has some issues! Maybe you should look into this guy!” If there were, I definitely would have tried to get the kid some help. I think that could have had a good chance of averting yesterday’s tragedy more than anything.”

So, as I argued from the beginning, there is a clear case of negligence here, and indeed that is what experts are saying now:

“So here was a man who was actively intimidating other students and who had inappropriately and repeatedly photographed and contacted female students. His own suite mates say he was a stalker. That the university did not suspend Cho for such violations makes a solid case for negligence.

In a rational legal system, the school would be held accountable for its errors. But Virginia Tech is a state institution, and Virginia is a state where the doctrine of sovereign immunity remains quite robust. That doctrine, a relic of English common law, essentially says the state can do no wrong because the state creates the law and thus cannot be subject to it. Many states have relaxed sovereign immunity and made it possible for victims of, say, botched operations to sue state hospitals. But Krauss of George Mason University says the Virginia Tech victims’ families would probably have to seek an exception to sovereign immunity from the Supreme Court of Virginia in order to sue the school.

There’s a simpler way: Steger, the university president, should stop withholding documents on how the university mishandled Cho and take responsibility for his school’s lax approach. And then he should resign.”

Radical Libertarianism…

From a piece by Anthony Gregory called “Real World Politics and Radical Libertarianism on Lew Rockwell.

” In short, the problem was the principled abolitionists and other radicals were too few in number, and what existed throughout the 19th century was a confused political dynamic in which no major faction appeared to favor liberty above all. The Antebellum Democrats were great on trade but not so good on war and slavery. The Hamiltonians were cautious of some wars but bad on everything else. This continues to this day, when we have one party that speaks of economic freedom (but doesn’t come through) and another that speaks of personal choice but neither that embraces the full program and philosophy of freedom.

“The reason America is not as free as it should be is there hasn’t been enough principled libertarian thought in American history, and there’s where we come in. To the extent we do have freedom, it is because of the radicals of the past. To the extent we have oppression, socialism and imperialism, it is because of insufficient radicalism of the past, an attempt to mix the libertarian instincts of the American Revolution with the statist values of corporate conservatism, centralized statism, mixed economics, policed morality and continual foreign war.”

Well said. Read the article in its entirety. What I like is it’s optimistic, even upbeat, outlook and its hopefulness about where right libertarianism is and where it could go.
I share the optimism. I think, we – right (and left) libs – are not extremists (which is how we are derided) but principled.

Still, though we are not extremists, we are at the extreme ends of the debate….

Unless your thinking is completely linear, however, the principled right and left do not have to be at the opposite ends of things.

Did Cho Seung-Hui Have the “Herostratos Syndrome”?

 

4-23-07

An article from the History News Network that supports my previous post about the Copy-Cat Effect:

By William Marina

Mr. Marina is Professor Emeritus in History at Florida Atlantic University.

I doubt that many people have ever heard of Herostratos, a Greek who lived almost 2,400 hundred years ago, but I would suggest that the similarities of Cho’s murderous rampage at Virginia Tech and Herostratos’ actions are striking. They both represent a kind of revolt against Egalitarianism, a craving to be lifted above the faceless and nameless masses, to make one’s mark on history even at the price of becoming infamous in the process.

In 356 BCE, Herostratos burned down the Temple of Artemis at Ephesus, considered one of the Wonders of the Ancient World. When asked, before his execution, why he had done such a dastardly deed, Herostratos replied that he wanted to be “famous.” Alarmed at such thinking, the Greeks attempted to blot his name from history. After Alexander the Great’s fame, it was pointed out that the Gods had caused his birth that same year to overshadow Herostartos’ act.

The Greeks were unsuccessful in their effort to purge history of Herostratos, but at least they understood his motivation—a desire for fame at any cost. This has been the prime motivation for many perverse acts in human history, especially in America.

This writer first discussed these factors some years ago in an essay, Egalitarianism and Empire, Actually, two other factors need to be included, Envy, and Equality. Alexis de Tocqueville believed that Envy was the motivating engine of what he called Democracy in America, but it is important to differentiate between Equality and Egalitarianism. The former implies an opportunity to compete, the latter a leveling distribution of results.

In the fourth century, the emerging Alexanderian Empire was an early sign of the rising tensions within Classical Civilization, which would culminate in the warfare-welfare state of the Roman Empire, to which America is increasingly compared. For men like Herostratos, God was, indeed, dead, and they had no real fear of divine retribution for their actions. Neither did Cho!

The growing sense of Egalitarianism was already evident in Jacksonian Democracy and was heightened by the Centralization prevalent after the Civil War.

In fact, the most cogent analysis of what I call the Herostratos Syndrome was offered in a New York Evening Post editorial after the assassination of President James A. Garfield in 1881, quoted at length in Alexander Stephens’s Pictorial History of the United States (1881). Stephens had served as Vice President of the Confederacy, and also wrote a two-volume history of that conflict, focused around the ideas of “Centralization,” and Empire. In that view, he would later be joined by Oswald Spengler, who wrote about “Civilization [Empire] as Centralization unadulterated,” and Carroll Quigley, Bill Clinton’s teacher at Georgetown, who voiced a similar outlook.

The editorialist wanted to explain what, in picturesque 19th century prose, he called, the rise of the American “Crank,” which seemed so peculiar to our society. He attributed this to a system of business that promised that everyone could succeed, as well as to a schooling system that promised the same. But the real culprit was the press, which offered instant notoriety and infamy to these Cranks, such as Charles Guiteau, the assassin of Garfield.

Since then, of course, we have endured a number of such “Cranks,” including Lee Harvey Oswald, whose “Historic Diary” repeats his failures, or Arthur Bremer, the inept attempted assassin of George Wallace, whose diary also repeats the same word, “failure,” ad nauseum. Oswald’s whole life was an effort to draw attention to himself, as a so-called Marxist, shooting himself in the leg while in the Marines, and so on. It is clear his “Historic (by whose definition?) Diary,” was written on the boat returning to America from the Soviet Union, in anticipation of a large press conference which never materialized, as he was met by a sole representative of the State Department, which had helped pay for his return. The number of his actions intended to gain fame are too numerous to describe here. He even tried to become a critic of Communism from the Right!

In all of these Herostratics, however, perhaps the epitome is James Earl Ray, the assassin of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Before Ray grasped what Oswald had instinctively understood in pleading his innocence after his capture in Dallas and before he was himself killed, Ray was asked by his attorney how he could have been so “damned dumb” as to leave a portable radio with his Missouri Prison number etched on it at the scene of the crime. Ray replied that he wanted the whole world to know he was the one who shot that “F***ing N****r.”

It is a terrible tribute to Ray’s skillful mendacity that before his death he was able to convince Mrs. Coretta King, King’s son, and Jesse Jackson, that he was the innocent victim of some larger, nefarious conspiracy. Instead of executing him, as the Greeks would have done, he remained in prison, expanding upon his fame and notoriety by proclaiming his innocence. And, there was no shortage among those in the media as well, adding to that chorus.

With attempts on the lives of both Presidents Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan, the increased security has made it easier simply to kill masses of innocent people, whether earlier from a Tower at the University of Texas, or, for example, the murders at Columbine.

Now Cho has successfully joined the ranks of the Herostratics and made his name in history. Our media, unlike the flawed effort of the Greeks to wipe such names from history, has seen to that. Cho’s act of putting together a video presentation beforehand, attempting to justify his act as a protest against inequality, and then mailing that to NBC, is hardly the act of an irrational person under immediate stress. He knew exactly what he wished to accomplish and had planned accordingly.

There is also the question of what prescription drugs Cho had been taking. The police have not yet released the names of these drugs. We do know, however, that various drugs have been associated with some of the mass killings of recent years.

In Ancient Greece one of the “designer drugs” was hellebore. We will never know if Herostratos was into such drugs, which, when combined with alcohol, could give one quite a high. For a “nobody,” whose efforts to stand out had simply alienated many around him, that could be the final catalyst in tipping him toward an act of destruction or violence that would achieve the notoriety he so craved.

It is perhaps well to note the closing words of the editorialist in 1881, that our method of handling such events may have simply increased the possibility for more such Cranks.

My Comment:

I should add that I don’t know anything about the killing of King or Kennedy or anyone else and have no opinion on any of those subjects, one way or other. I just thought the analysis of centralization and the media was relevant.

I should also point out that Stephens – whose writings I am not familiar with – was an ardent supporter of slavery. In my view, that does not necessarily have a bearing on his critique of empire, any more than his owning of slaves affected his ability as a lawyer to get a black slave woman accused of murder acquitted.

I have Jewish friends who are able to listen to Wagner with equanimity…as I can read Kipling and accept that he was both a marvellous writer and an ardent colonialist and imperialist (those two things might indeed be tied together in some ways), but that to denounce (or ignore) all the good and the creative in people because some parts of their thinking is reprehensible (or indeed, in the case of slavery, almost incomprehensible to us) is I think, a shallow way of thinking that in the end impoverishes the debate and ultimately leads, as Mill noted, to the very evils we think we are battling. Our salvation lies in widening, not narrowing, the debate.

Tragedy and Irony After V-Tech – Steger versus Winsett

“You are hereby directed not to enter the College campus or any College owned property at any time for any reason”

reads a one- page letter sent through courier by administrators no more than a day after an upsetting classroom incident had come to their attention.

If you thought that was V-Tech officials getting the perp of reportedly the biggest campus massacres in the US out of the classroom, you thought wrong.

Probably nothing says more about the priorities of the political culture nowadays than the reported firing last week of Nicholas Winsett, a teacher at Boston’s Emmanuel College.

On Wednesday, two days after the Virginia massacre, Winsett enacted a little skit in his classroom to illustrate his argument that the massacre could have been prevented had the university policy allowed guns on campus

During the skit, Winsett used a marker to pretend to shoot at a student who had previously been prepped to simulate firing back. He was illustrating his point that had there been guns on campus, the V-Tech shooting might have been averted. That, of course, is debatable.

But, of course, debating things is precisely what professors do.

He seems to have made some thoughtful points:

He asked students what the impact of this tragedy on the stock market was (nil) to show that a sensational tragedy does not equate to something that has a deep social impact.

He also argued that the incidence of such killings is miniscule. You are more likely to be shot in a convenience store or struck by lightning than killed in a mass shooting.

His interpretation is open to question, of course. For one thing, I think he overlooks the importance of the twin issues of psychiatric drug use and the increase in police-state laws. But I doubt he is much off the mark on the statistics.

Here is a video he made for YouTube.

Emmanuel College claims he was making light of the tragedy at Virginia Tech. He is said to have made derogatory references to “rich, white kids.” The college is within its rights to maintain its standards – which may well have been violated by what he said. I don’t claim to know. But notice that they were quick to act without too much investigation.

Meanwhile, the President of V-Tech has yet to step down for the university’s role in witlessly enabling school shooter, Cho Seung Hui. Indeed, if we are to believe Steger, officials did all that could humanly have been done.

But this Time Magazine article calls him on that. V-Tech’s own guidelines contradict him (see my prior posts on this blog on the police response and the legal and psychiatric issues).

A glance at Dr. Steger’s professional record shows it to be an impressive one, which makes this turn in his career all the more tragic.

But this paragraph in his CV struck me as not tragic but ironic:

“Most recently, he has been asked by the Swiss Ambassador to the United States and The World Bank to serve on a committee to establish a foundation in the United States to conduct research on mitigating global natural disasters.”

Indeed.

Still, even if he resigned from V-Tech, Steger’s path is unlikely to be downward.

Right now, that’s not the case with Nicholas Winsett.

More on V-Tech response and crime-scene details

This from an upcoming Newsweek report (4/30) posted online gives some insight into how the university administration operates:

“Virginia Tech’s president, Charles Steger, had been through campus emergencies before. Early last fall, a prison convict had escaped near the university’s sprawling, 2,600-acre campus in rural Virginia, and gunned down a hospital guard and a sheriff’s deputy. Steger had ordered some students to evacuate their classroom building. But as he discussed what to do this time around with other top university officials, he recalled having some second thoughts about that earlier decision. What if an evacuation meant sending the students right into the cross hairs of the shooter? Maybe it was better to keep them where they were and not arouse panic.

(LR: I will go back and find Steger’s earlier excuse about why he did not shut down the campus – which was that it was too large, almost like a town. He didn’t say anything about sending people running into the shooter earlier.

No explanation why the PA system was not used either or a radio announcement made.)

As Steger and his lieutenants debated in the University Board Room in Burress Hall at around 9:45 a.m., a police report came in: there had been another shooting. Steger thought he heard something that sounded like gunshots. He looked up, he recalled to NEWSWEEK. He wondered if the noise was coming from a nearby construction site. Then he noticed police running toward Norris Hall. Steger ordered security to lock the doors to the president’s office. “I thought it could be a target,” he says.

LR: Yes – they had time to do that. No comment needed I think. Steger refused to step down despite requests.
Here’s more. As you can see, they don’t mention anything about student being sent into the arms of the shooter:

“Steger emphasized that the university closed off the dorm after the first attack and decided to rely on e-mail and other electronic means to notify members of the university, but with 11,000 people driving onto campus first thing in the morning, it was difficult to get the word out. He said that before the e-mail went out, the university began telephoning resident advisers in the dorms to notify them and sent people to knock on doors to spread the word. ”

Let’ see that the students thought of that:

Some students bitterly questioned why the gunman was able to strike a second time. “What happened today, this was ridiculous,” student Jason Piatt told CNN. “While they send out that e-mail, 20 more people got killed.”

Students and Laura Wedin, a student programs manager at Virginia Tech, said the first notification they got of the shootings came in an e-mail at 9:26 a.m., more than two hours after the first shooting.

The e-mail had few details. It read: “A shooting incident occurred at West Amber Johnston earlier this morning. Police are on the scene and are investigating.” The message warned students to be cautious and contact police about anything suspicious.

Student Maurice Hiller said he went to a 9 a.m. class two buildings away from the engineering building, and no warnings were coming over the outdoor public address system on campus at the time.

Everett Good, junior, said of the lack of warning: “I’m trying to figure that out. Someone’s head is definitely going to roll over that.”

“We were kept in the dark a lot about exactly what was going on,” said Andrew Capers Thompson, a 22-year-old graduate student from Walhalla, S.C.

Some students bitterly questioned why the gunman was able to strike a second time. “What happened today, this was ridiculous,” student Jason Piatt told CNN. “While they send out that e-mail, 20 more people got killed.”

Students and Laura Wedin, a student programs manager at Virginia Tech, said the first notification they got of the shootings came in an e-mail at 9:26 a.m., more than two hours after the first shooting.

The e-mail had few details. It read: “A shooting incident occurred at West Amber Johnston earlier this morning. Police are on the scene and are investigating.” The message warned students to be cautious and contact police about anything suspicious.

Student Maurice Hiller said he went to a 9 a.m. class two buildings away from the engineering building, and no warnings were coming over the outdoor public address system on campus at the time.

Everett Good, junior, said of the lack of warning: “I’m trying to figure that out. Someone’s head is definitely going to roll over that.”

“We were kept in the dark a lot about exactly what was going on,” said Andrew Capers Thompson, a 22-year-old graduate student from Walhalla, S.C.

*************

And then some details I missed about the crime scene:

The gunman found dead yesterday by authorities from apparently self-inflicted wounds had been described to MSNBC by an injured student as a college-aged Asian with a maroon hat and black leather jacket.

Authorities found a cellphone at the scene that initially led them to believe the killer was a Virginia Tech student from China.

VTech Response Did Not Conform Even to Recent VTech Guidelines

TheOnlineBarAssociation:

 

There was a time gap of almost two hours between the first two murders at West Ambler-Johnston and the 30 deaths at Norris Hall in Virginia Tech. In the two hour gap, Cho Seung-Hui gathered a 23-page manifesto, 27 videos, and photos; sent the package to NBC as a press release; and then
returned to Virginia Tech to finish his heinous agenda.

 

During that two hour break, authorities never thought of alerting students about the two on-campus homicides. They assumed that there was no further threat to other students. When asked about their failure to take precautionary measures, authorities answered that random acts of violence cannot be prevented. They also noted that it’s hard to warn 26,000 students at the same time.

 

Their explanation is unacceptable. As pointed out by concerned organizations, if a simple text messaging system had been in place, and a message had been sent from the authorities, preventive measures could have been taken. At the very least, classes could have been conducted inside closed doors. If precautionary measures were taken, many of those slaughtered students would still be attending class today.

 

Institutions of higher education have their own policies for handling mentally ill or suicidal students. Recently, the state of Virginia felt compelled to change the law. The Act, H 3064 of Virginia, approved by the Governor on March 21, 2007, reads:

 

“The governing boards of each public institution of higher education shall develop and implement policies that advise students, faculty, and staff, including residence hall staff, of the proper procedures for identifying and addressing the needs of students exhibiting suicidal tendencies or behavior. The policies shall ensure that no student is penalized or expelled solely for attempting to commit suicide or seeking mental health treatment for suicidal thoughts or behaviors. Nothing in this section shall preclude any public institution of higher education from establishing policies and procedures for appropriately dealing with students who are a danger to themselves, or to others, and whose behavior is disruptive to the academic community.”

 

A temporary detention order of the court, like that obtained for Cho in 2005, means that under Virginia law, the magistrate found Cho to be both “mentally ill and in need of hospitalization or treatment.” It also found Cho to be “an imminent danger to himself or others, or is so seriously mentally ill as to be substantially unable to care for himself.”

 

The fact that Nikki Giovanni had Cho removed from her class shows that Cho was disruptive to the academic community.

 

H 3064 clearly stated that it did not preclude those governing the institution from establishing policies and procedures for appropriately dealing with students who are a danger to themselves or to others, and whose behavior is disruptive to the academic community.

The Spirit of VTech Students

A stone that was meant to represent Cho at a memorial at VTech disappeared and was replaced with this:

“Left behind on Monday in Cho’s position at the memorial were a pile of wilting roses and carnations, burnt-down candles and days-old letters forgiving Cho and expressing sympathy with his family.

“Seung Hui, I hope that if I ever meet someone like you, I will have the courage and strength to reach out,” said one signed David.

‘You have not broken our spirits’

“We forgive you because we’ve been forgiven,” offered a Christian who signed only MEQ.

“To the family of Cho Seung-Hui: We know that you are hurting too,” said another.

But one letter to Cho, whose angry, hateful and violent pictures and statements that were shown on television after the massacre, was more defiant.

“Cho: you greatly underestimated our strength, courage and compassion. You may have broken our hearts but you have not broken our spirits,” wrote a person who signed “Erin T”.

VTech – Questions about damage inflicted by handguns

This interview , apparently with a Florida U. criminologist, is on You Tube and is posted on numerous websites and blogs:

“Charles Mesloh, Professor of Criminology at Florida Gulf Coast University, told NBC 2 News that he was shocked Cho could have killed 32 people with two handguns absent expert training. Mesloh immediately assumed that Cho must have used a shotgun or an assault rifle.”

I don’t know enough myself to assess this statement. Needs more research.

But here is more from another Time article which suggests the same:”Cho’s extraordinary killing effectiveness suggests someone who was trained, or who trained himself, in “execution-style” killing, according to the federal source”

There is a picture circulating on Liberty Forum (and also on other sites and blogs) of what is said to be Cho in a US marine uniform. The picture was apparently uploaded to wiki and then pulled. There is some debate about that.

Looking at it myself, I have no idea whether one of those young men portrayed in it is Cho. It could be, but I am declining to post it, as I have no way of knowing whether it is accurate, a mistake, or a hoax.

In any case, VTech, like many campuses around the country, probably had recruiters onsite. Cho’s sister worked in Iraq construction and he was – from what we have heard so far – an intelligent enough person.

The picture is fuelling the military psyop argument right now.

I will be on the look out for confirmation of this from other sources.

Meanwhile, explaining it a different way, John Markell, the owner of the gunshop which sold the Glock (but not the Walther) to Cho, argues that Cho probably purchased several magazines:

“The Glock 19 is sold with two magazines, each capable of holding 15 rounds, double-stacked to make a compact clip not much bigger than a harmonica. Judging by the number of fatalities and wounded — most of whom reportedly were shot more than once — Cho may have fired a hundred or more rounds. Loading magazines is a slow business, so Markell figures that Cho must have acquired several more magazines and more ammunition from some other source.”

The Glock was also easy to conceal, being very small, which explains how he got away with it:

“As it turned out, the Glock 19 was perfect for Cho’s deadly purpose. The gun is just 6.85 inches long and 5 inches wide, according to a Glock website, and thus easily concealed. A vest with several pockets can hold a number of compact 15-round magazines that fit a Glock 19. Cho surely knew that in cold weather a mass murderer could carry an arsenal on his back and in his pockets, and there would be no way to detect him, short of metal detectors at every entrance to every classroom building and dorm.”

VTech – Psychiatric Drugs in Past School Shootings

Here is a partial list of recent school shootings caused by or linked to the use of psychiatric drugs:

“In eight recent school shootings, psychiatric drugs were the common factor, in other instances, the shooter’s medical records were never made public and their psychiatric drug use remains in question.

September 28, 2006: Bailey, Colorado: Duane Morrison, 53, entered Platte Canyon High School and shot and killed one girl, and sexually assaulted 6 others. Antidepressants were found in his vehicle.

March 21, 2005: Red Lake Indian Reservation, Minnesota: 16-year-old Native American Jeff Weise was under the influence of the antidepressant Prozac when he shot and killed nine people and wounding five before committing suicide.

April 10, 2001: Wahluke, Washington: 16-year-old Cory Baadsgaard took a rifle to his high school, and held 23 classmates and a teacher hostage while on a high dose of the antidepressant Effexor.

March 22, 2001: El Cajon, California: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman was on two antidepressants, Effexor and Celexa, when he opened fire at his California high school wounding five.

March 7, 2000: Williamsport, Pennsylvania: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was on the antidepressant Prozac when she blasted away at fellow students in Williamsport, Pennsylvania, wounding one.

May 20, 1999: Conyers, Georgia: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with a mix of antidepressants when he opened fire on and wounded 6 of his classmates.

April 20, 1999: Columbine, Colorado: 18-year-old Eric Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox when he and his partner Dylan Klebold killed 12 classmates and a teacher and wounded 23 others before taking their own lives in the bloodiest school massacre to date. The coroner confirmed that the antidepressant was in his system through toxicology reports while Dylan Klebold’s autopsy was never made public.

April 16, 1999: Notus, Idaho: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school narrowly missing students; he was taking a mix of antidepressants.

May 21, 1998: Springfield, Oregon: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his own parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 22. Kinkel had been on Prozac.”

Here is the link to the report, “Psychiatric Drugs And Anger Management Curricula – A Perspective on School Violence,” by the Citizens Commission on Human Rights. (I should point out something I didn’t realize at the time I posted, which is that the CCHR is connected to Scientology. I think the statistics are fairly reliable though. I will add another link to back this material from another source.

The report notes the following interesting statistics about the rise of school shooting.
1991-1996: FDA approval of selected SSI drugs (a class of antidepressants including Prozac and Zoloft) for adult use only.

1990-2005: 38% increase in pediatric use of stimulants that FDA claims cause psychosis, mania, aggression and (on withdrawal) suicidal ideation

1987-2002: 50o% under-18 use of anti-depressants

1974-2000 (1.4 school shootings a year, on average)

1988-2006 (2.5 school shootings a year, on average).

The rise in school shootings has been the rationale for the introduction of Immediate Action Rapid Deployment tactics into the police, especially after the 1999 Columbine shootings).

In turn, that coincides with the increasing militarization of the police in response to terror threats, most noticeably, of course, after 9/11.

The CCHR report above is especially persuasive when it argues that so-called anger-management and counseling approaches are fairly useless, distract from real problems and are mosly nothing more than an excuse for school administrators to claim that they are doing everything they can.

Indeed, at V-Tech we now have cries for further laws, policies and programs, even though it’s pretty clear that the laws and programs already in place have either not been implemented at all or have been implemented so poorly and without common sense that we might as well not have had them.

A plethora of laws also lets everone follow the rules (trivially) without paying attention to what those rules are supposed to foster.

In this case university administration, the mental health system and the police all, in effect, operated on their own, claiming to be responsible “thus far and no further,” and ultimately leaving absolutely no one responsible for seeing the whole process through, treating Cho, or – most importantly – protecting the students he lived with.

A legal and bureaucratic apparatus, in other words, can just as well let everyone off the hook as hold people accountable.

Actually, it seems that Virginia state has been zealous enough, turning in some 80,000 names of people who shouldn’t own guns to the FBI – it’s just that Cho’s was not on them. Why? Because Viriginia law denies guns to the “mentally defective” and those committed to a psychiatric institution – neither of which describes Cho.

So, the problem wasn’t any lack of laws. It was the lack of a common sense application of the law – charges not being pressed, records not being kept, lack of communication between various departments. There’s not much question to my mind that human error or negligence caused this disaster.

http://www.nbc4.com/news/12716444/detail.html

A further thought: even if drugs don’t show up in the blood, this report suggests that withdrawal from drugs could cause similar aggressive moods.

Another thought: in a manic mood, people do a number of things that would be implausible in a normal person. I am noting this since some bloggers are suggesting that the scenario of Cho killing 2 people, walking a couple of miles, and then killing 30 others all in about 2-21/2 hours is improbable.

Live Journal has a comment on the “More Gun Laws or Fewer Idiots,” piece, on which I have some dissenting thoughts, related to the drug issue:

” I think the gendered violence angle has so far been under-explored. This man was a documented stalker, and, at least at first, only targeted women. The perpetrators of all spree school shootings I’m aware of have been angry young men, more often than not targeting young women. In my opinion, the popular press chronically ignores this truism in favor of low-hanging culture targets. Male aggression and male socialization is probably the real issue here.”

I will comment on this later. It’s too far afield for me right now.