Anti-traditionalist propaganda from Paul Rosenberg at Salon.com:
A few weeks ago, I came across a reference to an unpublished conference paper, with the intriguing title, “ Does endorsement of hierarchy make you evil? SDO and psychopathy.”
So I contacted the lead author, Marc Wilson, a New Zealand psychologist at Victoria University of Wellington, to ask him about his research.
First, a bit of background. Psychopathy — once thought to be an all-or-nothing condition — is now understood in a dimensional fashion (more or less) and is measured by instruments such as The Hare Psychopathy Checklist-Revised. While our understanding of psychopathy first developed largely from studying criminal populations, Hare himself has said, “I always said that if I wasn’t studying psychopaths in prison, I’d do it at the stock exchange,” so it’s fairly straightforward to measure and compare psychopathic tendencies and SDO. And that’s just what Wilson has done.
“The research shows that SDO and psychopathy have a reciprocal causal relationship over time — as people become more social dominant, they become more psychopathic, and vice versa,” Wilson told me. “This is based on longitudinal research that shows that, for example, increased SDO (or psychopathy) at time 1 predicts greater psychopathy (or SDO) at time 2. I’ve done this for both convenience samples (university students) and thousands of general population.”
University students get tested a lot — as Wilson indicated, they’re quite convenient. But sooner or later it’s bound to raise questions of just how well the results hold up in a larger population. So it’s significant that he’s already taken that step, and found confirmation as well.
“When SDO was originally proposed, it was argued that group dominance (as measured by SDO) is not the same thing as individual level dominance, and indeed that’s what the original research appeared to show,” he explained. “More recently there have been a few studies that have suggested SDO and psychopathy are related, and I’ve collected a lot of data now that leads me to believe they’re flip sides of the same coin — interpersonal dominance (psychopathy) on one side and group dominance (SDO) on the other.”
This is just what one might informally conclude from listening to the Donald Sterling tape. His personal abusiveness and unwarranted accusations against V. Stiviano is on one side of the coin; flip it over, and his contempt for black people is on the other. Jerk on one side, racist on the other.
[Lila: Never mind that Stiviano was a gold-digging exhibitionist.
Never mind that she’s made racist comments herself.
Never mind that she either pre-texted or unlawfully surveilled someone in their house.
Never mind that that is a form of moral and mental rape several orders of magnitude worse than saying rude things in your own home for your own private audience.]
“Therefore, it makes sense that environments that promote social hierarchies will also be fertile breeding grounds for individual dominance, and vice versa,” he continued. Digging down a bit into specifics was quite illuminating.
“By ‘environments’ I can imagine a few that are good candidates — financial markets for example,” Wilson said. “Indeed, some of my other work shows that people who work in commerce focused on hierarchy-enhancing wealth consolidation also tend to be more social dominant (an old finding) but also more psychopathic — indeed, people who study commerce at university are not only more psychopathic than people in other fields of study but less psychopathic commerce students are more likely to switch majors to more hierarchy-attenuating disciplines, while more psychopathic arts students (for example) are more likely to switch to commerce degrees.”
Lila: This is the state of moral and logical confusion in public debate in the West, which, unfortunately, sets the tone for the whole world.
Take Belle Knox, the current feminist icon.
She is barely adult, has a history of body image problems and serious self-cutting; is a porn addict who was raped and admits that she enjoys being locked up in dog-houses.
She chooses to be routinely spit on, hit in the face, verbally abused, and gang-raped in the derriere, all on camera.
But, of course, there’s no “evil hierarchy” in any of that, nor “dominance,” nor “subordination”; no psychiatric problem there.
No, that”s all feminist empowerment and an honest day’s work, all the way.
And you dare not so much as roll your eyes at her.
On the other hand, if a young man, a conservative, signs up for a degree in commerce and enjoys the rough-and-tumble of the business world, watch out – you have Hitler or Mao on your hands. Call the FBI… the shrinks… the NY Times…. Get Paul Rosenberg on the case.
In Rosenberg’s tendentious, dishonest, simple-minded essay, good, decent ideas with which any conservative could agree – the dignity of manual work and the value of every individual – putrefy and turn into so much slime to fling against political opponents, albeit so clumsily, the effort says more about him than about them.
Well this has seemed obvious to me for a long time.
The need to dominate via social hierarchies is not what most would consider a normal human trait, at least not among more enlightened, modern humans.
I really don’t look at it as a “human” trait at all; more of an animal thing, lurking back in the lizard brain, but normally transcended by the higher mind and spirit.
Voluntary cooperation that is task-oriented, meritocratic, and noncoercive does not seem to be what the paper is addressing.
I’m with you about voluntary cooperation and non-coercion and about the animal brain.
But I am talking about natural hierarchy, to which we all submit, whether we admit it or not.
Rosenberg, for instance, surely defers to activists with more clout.
I bet he doesn’t give my opinion the same weight as he does Chomsky’s, does he?
Why not?
I haven’t a clue what this post is about but the study refered to is very interesting — and common sense from what I’ve gathered.
No one mentions the relevant bit: inequality is positively correlated as a predictor of psychopathic behaviour. If true, this is striking evidence of what most of us already suspect. Conservative or no, you should adjust your paradigm accordingly.
As for Rosenberg, he is a cultural marxist and his spin is meant to throw us off the trail of the gangster plutocrats who employ him. His are the standard tactics of all left-wing gatekeepers. If that was your message I wish you’d stuck to it.
As for your rant, I’m no more impressed by a declaration of moral superiority over the Frankfurt mob especially given your insistence on dragging me into the mire (read bullshit) concerning a basketball oligarch and his gold-digging ho before doubling down and introducing a college bimbo porn star to bolster (whatever) argument you’re making.
My advice is to stop reading Salon.
I don’t read Salon regularly. I saw this on Alternet but ended up using the link to Salon, for some reason.
I read all points of view.
I am not your typical conservative any more than I am your typical libertarian.
Inequality is in fact a serious issue. I don’t have to include that in my paradigm because it’s already part of it. I’m always talking about issues of power and asking who, what, why were, when, how. I hate glittering generalities.
But this piece takes inequality in the wrong direction.
How am I “dragging you into the mire”?
You chose to read the piece and the point is quite succinctly made.
The left abhors natural hierarchies but glorifies subjection to corporate-state culture (subjection to the pornocracy, loss of privacy etc.).
So I am not feeling “moral superiority” to Cultural Marxists.
I am demonstrating logical superiority to them.
The basketball oligarch was a scape-goat to appease the mob, taken down by other oligarchs.
He follows in the line of Rajat Gupta, Dinesh D’Souza, etc. These targets are carefully chosen.
The porn star in question has become a very prominent voice in liberal-left-feminist circles and is the opening round of a push to not just decriminalize but normalize prostitution and sell it as an alternate life-style to teens. She is also normalizing teen/minor sexual autonomy, bondage and sado-masochism.
She was used to set up a Twitter conflict with Pakistan.
There is a whole history there that I have researched but not blogged in that line about “mind-control victim.”
I hope you feel better soon. I find a long walk helps.