Update: This comes from Glenn Greenwald. There’s been criticism by the Weekly Standard and others that WikiLeaks released an edited rather than a complete video. Greenwald says Wikileaks released both on the same site and the mistake arises from an erroneous statement in a NY Times piece on the subject.
“The only problem with this? From the very beginning, WikiLeaks released the full, 38-minute, unedited version of that incident — and did so right on the site they created for release of the edited video. In fact, the first video is marked “Short version,” and the second video — posted directly under it — is marked “Full version,” and just for those who still didn’t pick up on the meaning, they explained:
WikiLeaks has released both the original 38 minutes video and a shorter version with an initial analysis. Subtitles have been added to both versions from the radio transmissions.
This is Bumiller’s fault for misleadingly suggesting that WikiLeaks failed to release the full video. I know she’s been notified by at least one NYT reader of her misleading sentences but has thus far failed to respond. Establishment media outlets can’t stand that WikiLeaks is breaking major stories and are trying — consciously or otherwise — to imply that they’re not as reliable as Real Media Outlets (hence, the “WikiLeaks edited the video to 17 minutes” without indicating that they released the full video). But this is exactly how clear falsehoods are manufactured and then spread.”
Update (Thanks to AD Niven):
The blog post below (April 6, 2010; see also the April 8, 2010 post) says the Wikileaks video was edited to make the event look less defensible.
(Lila: That’s the reason I didn’t post it…….I’ve been through this a number of times with “war footage”)
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The NY Times, in their story about the incident, spends paragraph after paragraph fretting that we killed a bunch of innocent men standing around doing nothing more than contemplating whether Grotius’ notion of jus ad bellum conflicted with that of Aquinas. Then they hit you with this seemingly important piece of information buried near the end:
“Late Monday, the United States Central Command, which oversees the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, released the redacted report on the case, which provided some more detail.The report showed pictures of what it said were machine guns and grenades found near the bodies of those killed. It also stated that the Reuters employees “made no effort to visibly display their status as press or media representatives and their familiar behavior with, and close proximity to, the armed insurgents and their furtive attempts to photograph the coalition ground forces made them appear as hostile combatants to the Apaches that engaged them.”
I’d also direct you to Bill Roggio’s post on the subject if my own thoughts didn’t convince you that this was one of the worst smear jobs against our military based on zero evidence in the last decade.
Case closed.
Dahr Jamail in Truthout (hat-tip to Lawrence Vance at LRC blog):
“On Monday, April 5, Wikileaks.org posted video footage from Iraq, taken from a US military Apache helicopter in July 2007 as soldiers aboard it killed 12 people and wounded two children. The dead included two employees of the Reuters news agency: photographer Namir Noor-Eldeen and driver Saeed Chmagh.
The US military confirmed the authenticity of the video.
The footage clearly shows an unprovoked slaughter, and is shocking to watch whilst listening to the casual conversation of the soldiers in the background.
As disturbing as the video is, this type of behavior by US soldiers in Iraq is not uncommon.
Truthout has spoken with several soldiers who shared equally horrific stories of the slaughtering of innocent Iraqis by US occupation forces.
“I remember one woman walking by,” said Jason Washburn, a corporal in the US Marines who served three tours in Iraq. He told the audience at the Winter Soldier hearings that took place March 13-16, 2008, in Silver Spring, Maryland, “She was carrying a huge bag, and she looked like she was heading toward us, so we lit her up with the Mark 19, which is an automatic grenade launcher, and when the dust settled, we realized that the bag was full of groceries. She had been trying to bring us food and we blew her to pieces.”
The hearings provided a platform for veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan to share the reality of their occupation experiences with the media in the US.
Washburn testified on a panel that discussed the rules of engagement (ROE) in Iraq, and how lax they were, to the point of being virtually nonexistent.
“During the course of my three tours, the rules of engagement changed a lot,” Washburn’s testimony continued, “The higher the threat the more viciously we were permitted and expected to respond. Something else we were encouraged to do, almost with a wink and nudge, was to carry ‘drop weapons’, or by my third tour, ‘drop shovels’. We would carry these weapons or shovels with us because if we accidentally shot a civilian, we could just toss the weapon on the body, and make them look like an insurgent.”
Hart Viges, a member of the 82nd Airborne Division of the Army who served one year in Iraq, told of taking orders over the radio.
“One time they said to fire on all taxicabs because the enemy was using them for transportation…. One of the snipers replied back, ‘Excuse me? Did I hear that right? Fire on all taxicabs?’ The lieutenant colonel responded, ‘You heard me, trooper, fire on all taxicabs.’ After that, the town lit up, with all the units firing on cars. This was my first experience with war, and that kind of set the tone for the rest of the deployment….”
I had read the Truthout article earlier today before visiting here. This is sickening…again.
I see no clear method of altering the domestic apathy and media suppression of the ongoing atrocities.
If only there were a free flow of pictorial and audio recordings of this conduct, minds may begin to change.
Do you think so?
I’ve seen much worse photos and videos out there in the public realm going right back to 2003..
Seeing things doesn’t always help.
It can desensitize or even incite some people – as a kind of war porn
For others,it’s just something that will outrage them momentarily and then the rationalizations kick in..
It’s war; everyone does it; we can’t second guess soldiers in the field.
And some people might feel so much shame deep inside that they can’t handle, it might even fuel rage, as a compensation..as guilt.
The problem of propaganda isn’t always a problem of lack of information…
It’s a problem of other kinds of lack.
But that’s another post
I have also viewed still photos much more graphic than the WikiLeaks video. Public realm and mainstream are not always synonymous.
Your points about propaganda are valid, and I still hold that should the carnage be front and center, those moral/ethical lacks you allude to will be confronted. Get it out in the open, expose it, put the hypocrisy up for all to see and bask in or challenge it. And if you really want to put a stick in the hornets nest, throw in footage of U.S. casualties. Put it in everyone’s face. Enough of the feel good, star spangled banner nationalism held by the many, the proud, the blinded. Denial is convenient when the spoon fed are kept from harsh reality.
When it hits home, the rationalizing will only carry so much water, especially in difficult economic straits.
What is mostly visible is just that: Propaganda. The main flow of what is fed to the masses is controlled and filtered.
Or we can all just skip along with the business as usual rationalizations, feeling mostly nothing while the imperial forces stomp out evil across the globe in the name of freedom, democracy, and bankruptcy.
My personal opinion. Thank you for the forum in which to express.
hmmm…
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201929.php
and
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201889.php
Well..yes.
I agree that we have to see through the propaganda and I sympathize with your point of view.
I don’t say that these sorts of videos don’t have an impact..they do. I just wonder why they haven’t had much of an impact so far..
Many of the Iraq war pictures out there are much much worse.
I’ve seen ghastly mutilations of babies..
Rape scenes..
It doesn’t seem to have helped too much so far.
The biggest help has been the financial crisis.
People react to what affects them, not to things happening in a remote land to people they don’t identify with.
That’s why the cruelty of slavery didn’t sink in for a long time..
“People react to what affects them not to things happening in a remote land to people they don’t identify with.”
Not only that, often people have to see, feel and hear it happening to them, even then, if they didn’t see it happen (because they looked away?) if the TV talking heads don’t tell them it is so, the people don’t know what to think and many of them act as if nothing happened and embrace denial,… or if they have no choice because some type of reality (like a foreclosure on a home) is smacking them upside the head like a dead wet trout they might be looking for a scapegoat(s).
Are the worst ones the people who turn their heads and look away because it might disrupt the flow of money into their pockets?
Images take the thinking out somethimes.
Many people don’t indentify with soldiers, in this video, without the images of the soldiers doing the talking there’s a moment the audience has to create an image in their minds to follow the story (of excited boys – playing a video game – who’ve gotten a bit out of control and need reprimanded so they quiet down a bit?) so, people can relate to this video moreso than others – just a guess.