David Stockman: Ukraine Is A Fake Kleptocracy, Not Worth World War

In a historically informed and insightful piece on the background of the Ukraine war, David Stockman puts the failed kleptocracy of Ukraine and its tin-pot clown prince into proper historical perspective:

On April 26, 1954 The decree of the Presidium of the USSR Supreme Soviet transferring the Crimea Oblast from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR. Taking into account the integral character of the economy, the territorial proximity and the close economic and cultural ties between the Crimea Province and the Ukrainian SSR….

So, yes, there is every reason for a Kiev government which finally sues for peace to return Crimea to Russia, which owned it all along; and in which Ukrainians accounts for less than 15% of the predominant Russian speaking population. For Washington to claim otherwise and encourage Zelensky to hold out is tantamount to a naked case of hegemonic arrogance.

After all, during the long decades of the Cold War, the West did nothing to liberate the “captive nation” of Ukraine – with or without the Crimean appendage bestowed upon it in 1954. Nor did it draw any red lines in the mid-1990s when a financially desperate Ukraine rented back Sevastopol and the strategic redoubts of Crimea to an equally pauperized Russia.

In short, in the era before we got our Pacific port in 1848 and even during the 170-year interval since then, America’s national security has depended not one whit on the status of Russian-speaking Crimea and the Donbas regions of eastern Ukraine. The fact that the local population of the former in March 2014 chose fealty to the Grand Thief in Moscow over the ruffians and rabble that have seized Kiev amounts to a giant, “So what?”

Still, it was this final aggressive drive of Washington and NATO into the internal affairs of Russia’s historical neighbor and vassal, Ukraine, that largely accounts for the current dangerous confrontation. Likewise, it is virtually the entire source of the false claim that Russia has aggressive, expansionist designs on the former Warsaw Pact states in the Baltics, Poland and beyond.

The latter is a nonsensical fabrication. In fact, it was the neocon meddlers from Washington who crushed Ukraine’s last semblance of democratic governance when they enabled ultra-nationalists and crypto-Nazis to gain government positions after the February 2014 coup, which threw-out Ukraine’s legitimately elected, Russia-leaning president.

In this context, moreover, the history of the 1930s and 1940s must never be forgotten. As indicated above, Stalin decimated upwards of 15% of the Ukrainian population during the Holodomer (starvations) and then moved huge numbers of Russian-speakers into the Donbas to safeguard its chemical, steel and armaments industries from the defiant locals who were sent to Siberia.

Thereafter, when Hitler’s Wehrmacht came charging through Ukraine on its way to the bloody battle of Stalingrad, it had no trouble recruiting hundreds of thousands of vengeance-seeking Ukrainian nationalists to its ranks to do its dirty work: That is, the brutal liquidation of Jews, Poles, Gypsies and other untermenschen.

In fact, during the fall of 1941 began the mass killings of Jews that continued through 1944. An estimated 1.5 million Ukrainian Jews perished, and over 800,000 were displaced to the east; at Baby Yar in Kyiv nearly 34,000 were killed in just the first two days of massacre – and all of these depredations were assisted and often executed by local Ukrainian nationalists.

Then, of course, the tide turned and the Red Army came marching back though the rubble of Ukraine on its way to Berlin. After their victory over the Germans at the Battle of Stalingrad in early 1943, the Soviets launched an equally brutal scorched earth counteroffensive westward, searching high and low for traitors and collaborators among the Ukrainian population who had allegedly aided the Wehrmacht.

The Germans thus began their slow retreat from Ukraine in mid-1943, leaving wholesale destruction in their wake. In November the Soviets reentered Kyiv, where guerrilla activity intensified amid bloody revenge killings which claimed huge numbers of civilian victims. By the spring of 1944 the Red Army had penetrated into Galicia (western Ukraine), and by the end of October Ukraine was a bloody wasteland, once again under Red Army control.

So it may be fairly asked: What Washington lame brains did not understand that triggering “regime change” in Kiev in February 2014 would reopen this entire blood-soaked history of sectarian and political strife?

Moreover, once they had opened Pandora’s Box, why was it so hard to see that an outright partition of Ukraine with autonomy for the Donbas and Crimea, or even accession to the Russian state from which these communities had originated, would have been a perfectly reasonable resolution?

Certainly that would have been far preferable to dragging all of Europe into the lunacy of the current military showdown and further embroiling the Ukrainian factions in a suicidal civil war.

Needless to say, Zelensky gets none of this in the slightest – even though as a native and Russian speaking son of southeastern Ukraine, he actually grew up in a part of modern Ukraine that had been Russian for 370 years!

That’s right. He’s just the perennial short guy feasting on his 15 minutes of fame. But enough is enough already. In a rational world this double-talking creep should have been sent packing this morning by the US Congress, but these war-obsessed nincompoops can’t see the handwriting on the wall.

So once again, here it is. This is where the story ends – even as Washington wages Sanctions War on the entire global economy and thereby the American people as well.

How Ukraine Will Be Partitioned After Kiev Capitulates

In any event, a TV actor who has no script other than that handed to him by his Washington/NATO overseers is one thing. And at the end of the day, it small potatoes compared to the grotesque negligence and misdirection of Sleepy Joe’s own keepers.

That is to say, Secy Blinkey and Snake Sullivan should be bent over the above map in earnest conversation with their Russian counterparts as to the fine points of the partition, and the meaning of “neutrality,” “de-nazification” and “demilitarization” of the green area of the map, which is to become the future “Ukraine,” if there is to be anything left at all.

Needless to say, they are not even talking to the Russians. They are, in fact, so red in tooth and claw with the blood of economic warfare that they would drive the global economy to collapse rather than acknowledge that they – and they alone – brought this horrendous situation to the doorstep of the world.”

 

Russia: It’s No Longer Just About Ukraine

Russian Foreign Minister, Sergey Lavrov, after discussions in Antalya with the Turkish and Ukrainian foreign ministers,  March 10, 2022:

We have realised that the point at issue is not Ukraine at all. It is an aggression against all things Russian – interests, religion, culture, language, security, etc. The West’s furious reaction to our actions demonstrates that this is a life and death struggle, a struggle for Russia’s right to be on the political map of the world with full respect for its legitimate interests.

Ukie Labs Studied Deadly Viruses, Targeted Slavs

The Russians have made further statements about the US biolabs in Ukraine, including the bombshell revelation that they collected serum samples specifically from Slavic people alone and sent them abroad to Germany and Australia.

The pathogens stocked and developed include some of the deadliest known to man, including anthrax, plague, brucellosis, H5N1 flu and others with a mortality rate over 50%.

Much of the documentation had already been removed and sent abroad, apparently to Poland, before the Russians discovered them, but there also remains employee testimony.

To be clear, the research was done completely under the supervision of American scientists. The studies ran to figuring out how to infect and then transmit pathogens through the migratory bird population, of which Ukraine is a hub, as well as how to use insect and bat vectors.

Details of the UP-4 project became known, which was implemented with the participation of laboratories in Kiev, Kharkov and Odessa and was designed for the period up to 2020.

Its purpose was to study the possibility of the spread of particularly dangerous infections through migrating birds, including highly pathogenic H5N1 influenza, the mortality rate of which reaches 50 percent for humans, as well as Newcastle disease.

Due to the fact that Ukraine has a unique geographical location where transcontinental migration routes intersect, 145 biological species were studied within the framework of this project. At the same time, at least two species of migratory birds were identified, whose routes pass mainly through the territory of Russia. At the same time, information about migration routes passing through the countries of Eastern Europe was summarized.

Of all the methods developed in the United States to destabilize the epidemiological situation, this is one of the most reckless and irresponsible, since it does not allow to control the further development of the situation. This is confirmed by the course of the pandemic of a new coronavirus infection, the occurrence and features of which raise many questions.

In addition, the R-781 project is interesting, where bats are considered as carriers of potential biological weapons agents.

Among the priorities identified are the study of bacterial and viral pathogens that can be transmitted from bats to humans: pathogens of plague, leptospirosis, brucellosis, as well as coronaviruses and filoviruses.
It is noteworthy that the research is carried out in close proximity to the borders of Russia – in the areas of the Black Sea coast and the Caucasus.

The project is being implemented with the involvement of not only Ukrainian, but also Georgian biological laboratories controlled by the Pentagon in cooperation with the Virginia Polytechnic Institute and the US Geological Survey.

The analyzed materials on the UP-8 project, aimed at studying the Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever virus and hantaviruses in Ukraine, clearly refute the US public statement that only Ukrainian scientists work in the Pentagon biolabs in Ukraine without the intervention of American biologists. One of the documents confirms that all serious high-risk studies are conducted under the direct supervision of specialists from the United States.

Israeli Investment in Ukrainian Real Estate

From Haaretz.com:

It’s hard to assess the extent of Israeli investments in Ukrainian real estate. Most of them, according to professionals and experts active in the country’s real estate market, are small investors looking for profitable opportunities, rather than developers. Large companies are active mainly on the margins, and for the most part prefer neighboring country. According to attorney Avraham Lalum, who represents a series of international companies and embassies operating in Ukraine, including the Israeli embassy, in recent years Israeli real estate transactions in the country have numbered at least 100 a month. Lalum and others say the spike in Israelis’ interest in Ukraine really happened in the past two or three years, but note that the trend began already in 2014 and 2015, with the start of the recovery from Russia’s invasion of Crimea.

US Biolabs Dot The Globe

I have excerpted articles from the Chinese and India media that substantiate Russia’s claims regarding US bioweapons labs in the Ukraine [will add to the list]:
List of Ukraine biolabs documents removed by the US Embassy

Up until recently, the existence and details of these bioweapons labs were public knowledge. The US embassy had previously disclosed the locations and details of these laboratories in a series of PDF files online. On February 26, 2022, the official embassy website shut down the links to all 15 bioweapon laboratories.

All the documents associated with these labs have been removed from the internet. If you click on any of the links, the PDF files are no longer available. Thankfully, these files have been archived and can still be accessed. What is the US embassy trying to hide?

https://web.archive.org/web/20170130193016/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-kharkiv-eng.pdf

The United States has pushed the creation of biolabs via its so-called ‘Global Partnership Against the Spread of Weapons and Materials of Mass Destruction’, as well as bilateral ‘Joint Biological Commitments and Joint Threat Reduction’ programmes with individual nations.

Washington has long insisted that these programmes, which started being implemented after the end of the Cold War, are designed only to reduce biological weapons proliferation and production.

However, Russia, China, politicians in some of the countries in which the labs are situated, and reporters – led by independent Bulgarian journalist Dilyana Gaytandzhieva – have questioned these claims.

Last year, Ukrainian opposition politician Viktor Medvedchuk revealed to parliament that as many as 15 US-sponsored biological laboratories were operating on Ukrainian territory, with some of them said to be engaged in the storage of pathogens hazardous to humans and animals. Medvedchuk accused US and Ukrainian authorities of seeking to cover up the extent of these activities, and warned that some of the labs may be experimenting on human beings. He also highlighted repeated mysterious outbreaks of dangerous diseases in the country between 2009 and 2017, including haemorrhagic pneumonia, cholera, and hepatitis A. In 2016, he noted, at least 20 Ukrainian servicemen died from a strange flu-like virus, with 364 more people succumbing to swine flu the same year. Medvedchuk has been under house arrest since May 2021, ostensibly over an unrelated matter.

Along with Ukraine, the nation of Georgia has repeatedly come up in reporting on US military. In 2018, the country’s former minister of state security implored then-US President Donald Trump to open a formal investigation into worrying reports that personnel from the US’ Lugar Center biological lab outside Tbilisi were engaging in experiments on live human test subjects.”

 

The article noted that outbreaks of infections have begun to be observed in Uzbekistan in places where U.S. military biological facilities operated.

In August 2011, an unknown disease suddenly flared up in the Tashkent region, and the symptoms of the disease were very similar to cholera. In 2012, the country was hit by a new disease, which almost simultaneously killed more than 10 people.

In the spring of 2017, a chickenpox epidemic broke out in Uzbekistan, which affected a large number of adults. Since January 2019, 279 cases of measles have been reported. Also, meningococcal infections are rising in the Central Asian country.

Anna Popova, head of Russia’s consumer rights and human well-being watchdog Rospotrebnadzor, at a meeting of the heads of the Security Councils of the CIS countries, expressed concern over the outbreaks of previously unknown infections in places where the U.S. military labs had opened, the magazine said.

In Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, there are no DTRA facilities, but Washington works on biosafety issues in the two countries through its structures, non-government organizations (NGOs) or “scientific partnerships.”

Through such “scientific” partnerships, the Pentagon and the intelligence services of North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) countries have gained access to top-secret technologies, intellectual property products of scientists from former Soviet Union countries and promising areas for future research, the magazine said. ”

 

From OpIndia.com

“On Tuesday, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian Tweeted a snippet from a press conference where he asked the US to release “relevant details as soon as possible” regarding alleged US biological laboratories in Ukraine. He captioned his Tweet as, “The US has 336 labs in 30 countries under its control, including 26 in Ukraine alone. It should give a full account of its biological military activities at home and abroad and subject itself to multilateral verification.”

US Changes Tune On Ukrainian BioWar Labs

The Russians have frequently alleged the existence of Ukrainian bioweapons labs. Now on March 7, Lt. Gen. Kirillov has stated publicly that they hold exhaustive documentary proof that the stock of pathogens in them was destroyed urgently on the eve of the Russian special operation/invasion.

Until now the Russian claim has been drowned in a tsunami of denials, counter narratives, and counter allegations by the US.

A google search for “Ukraine biolabs” would turn up dozens of sites, from Snopes [a left liberal propaganda site masquerading as a propaganda buster] to Euvsdisinfo.eu, the European version of the same] all denying that there were US biowar labs in Ukraine and all claiming that the facilities there were only fighting disease or monitoring the population’s health and were run by the Ukrainians themselves.

But it looks like the documentary evidence laid out by the Russian army yesterday was too convincing for simple denial.  Then there is the pending investigation of Igor Kolomoisky, President Zelenksy’s sugar daddy, a mafiosi Ukrainian billionaire who financed the ethnic cleansing  of Donbas Russians. Viruses specifically targeting ethnic Russians [Slavs], as the RF army chiefs have claimed, would be of immense help thee. With the Fed’s investigation tightening, Kolomoisky has moved closer to the Russians and may perhaps be in a position to confirm the biolab revelations.

Indeed, today, the US narrative has shifted. 

Now, US officials admit that there were indeed bioweapons research labs….

The new spin is that the biolabs need to be seized by the US before the Russians get to them, the same Russians whom they accused until today of being liars and propagandists for identifying innocent sanitation outposts as biowarfare facilities.

To wit.,

On Tuesday, the US government’s Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland testified before a Senate Foreign Relation Committee hearing on Ukraine in Washington, DC, and said that the United States was working with Ukraine to prevent invading Russian forces from seizing biological research material. The State Department also stated that it was concerned that Russian forces are trying to gain control of biological research facilities within Ukraine. The committee was set to examine Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the worldwide response.

At the hearing, State Department official Victoria Nuland was asked whether Ukraine has bioweapons. “Ukraine has biological research facilities, which in fact we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to gain control of”, she stated to the US lawmakers on March 8.

Ukraine War: List Of Useful Sites

There is a huge dearth of decent commentary on the war, or, when there is good commentary, it is scattered between blog posts and video, making it hard for busy people to get the gist of what is happening without an enormous expenditure of time.

For the self absorbed among us, for whom a war is just another excuse to update Facebook this hardly matters, but the rest of us need to know what we are supporting before we open our mouths…or the blood is on our hands too.

Sanctioning Russia implies the collective guilt of its citizens for not overturning Putin.

Well, what about the collective guilt of Americans in allowing into the White House a man in serious mental decline, incapable of handling international crises?

Shouldn’t ordinary Americans be punished for that too?

Or for Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, and endless other interventions which had less justification than Putin’s?

But who will sanction the sanctioners?

With that, here is a list of sites that could help  understanding the war in Ukraine.

NOTE: I DO NOT ENDORSE ANY OF THEM.

I have serious problems with about 3/4 of what is on them, and likely most, if not all, have some intelligence ties, or toe the intelligence line, or they would not flourish. You can take that as you wish. I know nothing about the owners, funders etc., although in some cases I can take a good guess.

But from bitter experience I will keep those guesses mostly to myself.

I am not part of any organized resistance, communist, anti-communist, Russian, Prussian,  or anything else. The only resistance I am whole-heartedly part of is resistance to my own unwanted habits, weaknesses and failings. The only line I toe is, whether something is true and helpful or not. There are true things that are not useful.. such as the personal crimes or sins of some of our oligarch enemies and friends. Interesting, but not necessarily relevant.

However, where relevant and useful,  there is also another consideration. If I put this information up, will the blowback be worth it, for someone who has only her wits and a couple of hours of free time, to aid her?

Will I go under too, like a thousand other small blogs and sites in the great purge that began in 2015-2016 and has accelerated ever since?

So I hold my tongue, which is now black and blue from the effort.

WEBSITES/BLOGS

Michel Chossudovsky’s website, Center for Research on Globalization [Long-standing researchers on geopolitics from a parapolitics angle. Criticizes as pushing Chinese and Russian propaganda.]

GreatGameIndia: Shelly Kasli’s wonderful investigative site that hasn’t been given sufficient credit for the ground breaking work it did on Covid, and before that, on demonetization and the cash ban. Possibly vetted by Indian intelligence, but not certain.

Zero Hedge: Lots of good stories mixed in with some disinfo, as I am almost certain this site is a group effort.

Strategic-Culture Foundation [reportedly part of the pro-Russian ecosystem, allegedly linked to the Russian state, just as all other media is linked to the ecosystem of the US, UK, EU, and their allies]

Oriental Review  Ditto

Covert Shores: Good analysis of Moskva sinking, open source intel from a naval guy. Western viewpoint.

War Zone The Drive 

Very good analysis of  war and armaments. Western

Intel Slava Z on Telegram

Unz.com [Counterpunch writers and some others who’ve migrated to a site run by Ron Unz, a tech entrepreneur and smart Jewish dissident; likely to be some disinformation, intended to co-opt so-called anti-Semitic criticism]

Voltairenet [Theirry Meyssan is excellent]

Dissident Voice [left centered dissident opinion on a variety of topics]

Counter-currents [ed. Binu Matthews] Socialist, people oriented, pro-global warming.

Indian Punch-line [M. Bhadrakumar, a retired Indian diplomat]

Life-site News [pro-life Catholic site]

The Saker.is – Orthodox Russian resident in the US, economically left, culturally right. Very pro Russian.

A Son of the American Revolution [American military analyst]

Andrei Martyanov’s blog [Russian military analyst. Very pro Russian]

The Gateway Pundit [pro-Trump right, conspiratorial]

National File [investigative, non mainstream right]

The Last Refuge [pro Trump Christian right]

Moon of Alabama

Lew Rockwell [Libertarian pro-market, antiwar site] Paleolibertarian and Christian libertarian

Revisionist Review, from Michael Hoffman, a so-called holocaust denial site, but I can vouch that it is entirely free of Nazi sympathy of any kind. Deep analysis of staged events, masonic conspiracy, and Talmudic influence.

Sputnik News  

and TASS

[Russian state outlets]

Srb.info [Serbia news] Pro Russian Serbian news site.

Gonzalo Lira [Chilean businessman on site in Kharkiv, has now gone missing]:  First-hand account of events in Kharkhiv, ear-to-the-ground reports of other areas.

Patrick Lancaster: Ex-US Navy, on the ground at battle fronts, with Russian army.

The Duran

[Have not watched this much, will add, when I find time to.]

That’s all for now. I don’t necessarily agree with the positions of these sites on other issues, or even with everything they say about the war, but they carry useful information to counter the incessant propaganda about Ukraine and Russia.

The best weapon against the media war is

Accurate information about the background and progress of the war

Clear understanding of the motivations and justifications of the different actors

Healthy skepticism toward the moral grandstanding of third parties with no skin in the game.

 

 

Ukraine: The Kleptocrats’ War With Putin

It’s been a year since I blogged here, but the war in Ukraine has drawn me out finally.

Here is a link to my comments at Disqus, made most recently at American Conservative, at Rod Dreher’s blog.

As he’s Orthodox, his posts usually carry themes and information I find useful, but, while he is against the US being drawn into the war, he still makes a moral equivalence between both sides. That equivalence is ultimately soft support of the NATO position.

A limited war to address a serious security threat on a country’s borders and enforce treaty obligations might very well not even be a violation of international law.

I would have to look it up.

But intervening to end the bloody oppression of civilians and get rid of a government that is essentially a kleptocrat front likely meets the definition of a just war. Certainly, Russia has more justification in the Ukraine than America ever did in Iraq, and if I recall right, scholars like Jean Bethke Elshtain managed to defend that war on just war grounds [erroneously].

As for Zelensky, what can be said of a president who, instead of making absolutely reasonable concessions and thus limiting the damage to the population, opens the prison doors and lets out hardened criminals and puts automatic weapons into the hands of women and children?  Who teaches ordinary people to make Molotov cocktails to attack the best trained special operations forces in the world.

Zelensky is trying to increase Ukrainian civilian casualties. No question.

Consider his invitation to mercenaries and volunteers across the globe to show up in Ukraine to fight for his corrupt regime with free equipment given by NATO? How is this not anything but reckless, selfish, and completely contrary to the behavior of a truly courageous and responsible leader who would try to limit, not exacerbate, the bloodshed?

But then. it may not after all be Putin who harbors  dreams of blood and soil. There was, indeed, little evidence of that in the pragmatic speeches the Russian President gave on the eve of war.

But the billionaire backers of Zelensky [a Ukrainian Jew himself],  Igor Kolomoisky and Hennady Bogolyubov, who ran one of the largest frauds in banking history via PrivatGroup and PrivatBank, while also sitting as board members of various Jewish ethnic organizations, have already given their money to Jewish non profits in the US, some, like Chabad, fostering Jewish ethnic identity.

One needs to ask if the rebirth of a Ukrainian or Crimean homeland might actually be the goal of the Ukrainian Jews’ own territorial ambition?

 

Transcript Of Biden Phone Call To Poroshenko, 2016

President Donald Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., highlighted another leaked audio clip that allegedly showed portions of a private phone call between Biden and Poroshenko from a conversation that supposedly took place on May 13, 2016.

[Lila: The leaked audio of 2020 has been taken off Youtube. ]

LISTEN:

FULL TRANSCRIPT OF THE AUDIO:

THEN-VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: Hey Mr. President, Joe Biden. How are you?

THEN-UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT PETRO POROSHENKO: Very well indeed, as usual, when I hear your voice. Thank you very much.

BIDEN: Well you are doing very well, congratulations on getting the new Prosecutor General.

I know there is a lot more that has to be done, but I really, I really think that’s, I think that’s good. And I understand your working with Rada in the coming days on a number of additional laws to secure the IMF.

But congratulations on installing the new Prosecutor General, it’s going to be critical for him to work quickly to repair the damage Shokin did.

And I’m a man of my word and now that the new Prosecutor General is in place, we’re ready to forward to signing that new $1 billion loan guarantee.

And I don’t know how you want to go about that.

I’m not going to be able to get to Kyiv anytime soon, I mean, next month or so.

And, and I don’t know whether you could either sign it with our ambassador or if you came here, we could sign or if you want, we’re inviting Groysman here later.

I’m going to be talking to him later this morning, not for that purpose, we’re inviting him to Washington and so I’ll leave it up to you as to how you want that done and when you want it done.

POROSHENKO: First of all, thank you very much indeed for these words of support.

Believe me, that it was a very tough challenge and a very difficult job and Mrs. Tymoshenko and Mr. Lyashko fraction tried to break this because we not only voted for the new Prosecutor General, which we do in a very short period of time, within one day we changed the law.

By the way, in this law we are presenting the set, the new structure of the General Prosecutor’s Office, including the General Inspection as we agreed with you.

And the second thing, I immediately invited Lutsenko and said that he should contact your embassy and I would be very pleased if you will have certain person, who can come either from Washington or whatever.

We have here – I don’t remember his name – the Ukrainian origin American prosecutor.

He is a little bit old.

I sent to the Jeffrey his name, and he was ready to come and to be assistant and adviser.

He has a very good experience in the American system and he can be the person of trust within new prosecution system.

I think this is exactly the right time to do that.

And if he’s still ready to come and to cooperate from the very first step, from the very first minute of the new Prosecutor, that is exactly what I’m looking for.

BIDEN: Well, let me, let me get in contact with the Justice Department and pursue that.

I’ll get his name and let me find out where that is, because it is in our interest, obviously, to provide professional assistance as quick as we can.

So this gets up and started it in the right direction.

So, I will move on that as soon as we hang up.

I’ll put that in train and I’ll get back to you as to what we are, what I am able to do.

POROSHENKO: Absolutely. Second, thank you very much indeed, this is exactly what I am looking for.

The second thing is that I want to thank you that you give me your word that immediately when we change the legislation and I appoint the new Prosecutor General, and it would be Yuriy Lutsenko as we agreed on our previous meeting in Washington and when it happen, we can have this loan guarantee and thank you very much…

Ukraine Provided Evidence Of Biden Corruption In 2020